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lol i love the feeling to be honest, oddly i feel kinda more connected with myself than when grounded in my body. @majiq dragon they/ask alien (@kovyxen) - jump I love the feeling of not being in the front too. It's nice to be free from physical problems, I wouldn't call it dissociation though, I'm very much there, just not doing stuff (edited)

Tulpamancy is so perception based that its hard to understand other's descriptions of the experience at times, but I don't think there is any dissociation in our fronting if that's how it works. It's more like we are physically farther back from the front. The only comparable thing is stasis and that's more like sleep or zoning out (edited)

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You don't happen to be trans, do you?

@Scarlet - jump that's actually fucking hilarious cuz ive heard these things are associated... yes, yes i am

11:33 PM

I love the feeling of not being in the front tooit's nice to be free from physical problems, I wouldn't call it dissociation though, I'm very much there, just not doing stuff

@Nature's Wrath (@Candlelight Society 🕯) - jump it's a body feeling, like when you first wake up and you're not sure if you're in the real world or if you're dreaming

And so everything falls into place.

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majiq 🐉 they/ask 👽

You don't happen to be trans, do you?

@Scarlet - jump that's actually fucking hilarious cuz ive heard these things are associated... yes, yes i am

Ahh, that is funny, that was my first thought when reading that comment.

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I asked in another tulpa server, but I'd figure I'd ask here too. Sorry if this isn't appropriate, since there's a rule about drug talk being okay, but to not advise it. I'm just curious, but I won't be argue it if I need to be warned. Has anyone had positive experiences using weed and other recreational drugs while working on or with a tulpa? Or a mindscape? I've heard about some people having negative experiences, such as not being able to communicate with their tulpa, which surprised me. I'm wondering if there are more positive experiences, or at least neutral ones.

majiq 🐉 they/ask 👽

yall what kinda methods you use for disassociation? i find dissociating really help me stay out of front, but i keep coming back to front when i stop dissociating..... how to yall keep up dissociating, or is there another way you front that doesn't require it, but also prevents you from accidentally taking front again?

I would discourage you from trying to dissociate on purpose, people do tulpamancy without the need for that. What you are describing sounds like derealisation/depersonalisation. It’s a coping mechanism that has its place, but long term you really don’t want it to overtake your life by building strong habit that would be hard to get rid of (edited)

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11:40 AM

I don’t know your living situation, but if dissociation provides you comfort that you need, I would recommend trying to see other options

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The Others

I asked in another tulpa server, but I'd figure I'd ask here too. Sorry if this isn't appropriate, since there's a rule about drug talk being okay, but to not advise it. I'm just curious, but I won't be argue it if I need to be warned. Has anyone had positive experiences using weed and other recreational drugs while working on or with a tulpa? Or a mindscape? I've heard about some people having negative experiences, such as not being able to communicate with their tulpa, which surprised me. I'm wondering if there are more positive experiences, or at least neutral ones.

I enjoy it when Michael gets high, it makes me giggly and relaxed, although it does also make everything kinda hazy, the system communication isn't the best high but it generally feels good for all parties involved

Based on how my brother acts during high, I think communication doesn't work at all for singlets. (edited)

Nature's Wrath

lol i love the feeling to be honest, oddly i feel kinda more connected with myself than when grounded in my body. @majiq dragon they/ask alien (@kovyxen) - jump I love the feeling of not being in the front too. It's nice to be free from physical problems, I wouldn't call it dissociation though, I'm very much there, just not doing stuff (edited)

If you are “free from physical problems”, that sounds like depersonalisation, which is a form of dissociation

Candlelight Society 🕯

I enjoy it when Michael gets high, it makes me giggly and relaxed, although it does also make everything kinda hazy, the system communication isn't the best high but it generally feels good for all parties involved

That's interesting! Do you guys communicate through words or images/feelings? The latter is how I think, so I figure, without words, maybe communicating with your tulpa using images/feelings could help?

If you are “free from physical problems”, that sounds like depersonalisation, which is a form of dissociation

@Deleted User - jump eh, I just enjoy being the thought entity for a change while Dawn handles the human stuff. I'm still here and am typically giving her advice on how to human while fronting.

If you are “free from physical problems”, that sounds like depersonalisation, which is a form of dissociation

@Deleted User - jump eh, I just enjoy being the thought entity for a change while Dawn handles the human stuff. I'm still here and am typically giving her advice on how to human while fronting.

The Others

That's interesting! Do you guys communicate through words or images/feelings? The latter is how I think, so I figure, without words, maybe communicating with your tulpa using images/feelings could help?

We do it both ways, mostly we use mind voice but we also use tulpish and other communication methods, memes make a surprisingly good communication system.

Oh I can imagine.

12:13 PM

I forgot that feeling/imagery thought is called tulpish in the community. I've been doing that my entire life, but when tulpa, it feels weird doing that.

I can't really imagine thinking that way a majority of the time, but it fascinates me

For me, it

12:23 PM

Oops.

12:23 PM

It's like my own language? I don't need to be limited by my native language.

12:24 PM

And with a tulpa, it's just trading feelings.

The Others

I asked in another tulpa server, but I'd figure I'd ask here too. Sorry if this isn't appropriate, since there's a rule about drug talk being okay, but to not advise it. I'm just curious, but I won't be argue it if I need to be warned. Has anyone had positive experiences using weed and other recreational drugs while working on or with a tulpa? Or a mindscape? I've heard about some people having negative experiences, such as not being able to communicate with their tulpa, which surprised me. I'm wondering if there are more positive experiences, or at least neutral ones.

I hesitate to say too much because I have juuuust started and I’m not sure aboit things yet, but I’ve found it helpful. Let me know if I should share more, I’m not too clear on the rules yet.

I-am-Gus

I hesitate to say too much because I have juuuust started and I’m not sure aboit things yet, but I’ve found it helpful. Let me know if I should share more, I’m not too clear on the rules yet.

Thank you for the feedback! Looks like things are more even than I expected.

Question: Would doing something like “I say a word and you say it back in your voice” be a good way to help develop my tulpa’s voice, or would it be akin to parroting? (I know exactly what his voice is supposed to sound like at this point, because he is based on a character… Although he is free to change that.) I tried it today while I was driving and it seemed to go well but I don’t want to keep on if it’s the wrong thing to do.

Don't be afraid of parotting

3:02 PM

It's always better to hear exactly what you expect from your tulpa than to not hear anything at all (edited)

3:03 PM

And yes - asking a tulpa for saying back your words might be a good training for you both (edited)

Thanks for that I figure I could try it and then if he says anything that surprises me instead, all the better.

I agree with YTGR

YTGR have helped someone for the second time in his entire life

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Nice

YTGR hahaha I will see if I can come up with more noob questions for you to answer

I’m sure it won’t be a problem I’m pretty clueless

Yay

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Thanks (edited)

Is that okay to take a break from tulpamancy in a while?

1:39 PM

I've asked Fel whether i can stop talking with her for a couple of days because apparently our brain's mentally exhausted. (edited)

1:40 PM

She said that she's okay with it as long as i dont do anything stupid.

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But, i dunno

1:41 PM

I still kinda feel like it shouldn't happen.

If there's doubt in you guys taking a break, it may not be the best option. Would spending less time with Felicja be an option? Maybe you say hi to each other every now and then and you spend the rest of the day recharging?

It's good as long as you feel ok with it

A couple of days is not much of a break lol.

4:36 PM

If you haven't already been resting sufficiently you should have been.

Deleted User

I still kinda feel like it shouldn't happen.

I've taken multiple day long breaks away from my tulpas before, and they've even taken multiple days long breaks away from me. There's no problem with it. If you feel like a break, then take one. My tulpas even went on a multiple months long break away from me once... although I did end up with another tulpa in the mean time... but the point is, if you feel like a break, take one. If you change your mind, just end the break at any time.

4:41 PM

Don't spend time wondering if it's the best choice or not. Just try it and reverse your decision if it doesn't work for you. (edited)

Do as much or as little as you want in the moment, and disregard the idea of breaks entirely tbh.

Zen

Do as much or as little as you want in the moment, and disregard the idea of breaks entirely tbh.

Also a valid strategy!

Including if you are led away from it for prolonged periods.

4:42 PM

That's completely fine. The identities you house are not harmed by being temporarily not used

4:43 PM

In time, you will desire it again naturally.

Deleted User

Is that okay to take a break from tulpamancy in a while?

AnVery healthy thing to do in my opinion

6:52 PM

i didn’t read ytgr’s message as doubt of taking s break but a doubt of not taking it

6:53 PM

a break can always be stopped so i don’t think there is any harm

I think a break is good if you don't spend the whole time guilt tripping yourself for taking a break. If you're doing that, the break won't help. I was worried that could be a factor, but it wasn't specified and my assumption could be wrong.

True

A long kiss goodnight

I think a break is good if you don't spend the whole time guilt tripping yourself for taking a break. If you're doing that, the break won't help. I was worried that could be a factor, but it wasn't specified and my assumption could be wrong.

1. alright, thanks y'all for helping me get rid of the doubt! 2. don't worry - i'm guilt-tripping all the time, regardless if Fel is there or not

guilt is basically basically one of the core parts of my personality lmao (edited)

how do you all practice fronting in a way that allows you to do so without feeling dissociation/depersonalization? that's been a thing i've struggled with since i started fronting, i enjoy the feeling of dissociation but i know it's not good for me... i needa figure out how to let others front without getting that feeling, and allowing myself to remain as co-fronter without taking over the others' ability to do anything.

that...

10:46 PM

is normal

10:46 PM

you need to find "that mindset"

10:47 PM

and talk with your other imaginary identities about it

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Perhaps it would benefit you to roleplay as them first, and widen the gap from there as much as you wish it to go?

aye

10:48 PM

rollenspiel gut

It is the equivalent of parroting first then dissociating

roleplay huh? o: hhmm... i think that makes sense

aye!

While we don't struggle with derealization much now, from what we experienced it was more correlated to our anxiety than possession or switching. It's possible that maybe what you're experiencing and fronting are unrelated. Maybe there's underlying stress or something else like sensory overload that's triggering the dissociation. Additionally, maybe when you front it triggers a dissociative experience for whatever reason. For example, maybe a certain headmate got linked to a trigger, and when they front that triggers the dissociation. I don't feel too comfortable throwing out there an exact guess because I feel unqualified on knowing what causes dissociation. Ultimately, this may require a bit of exploring and I highly recommend getting that checked out by a professional. I don't think this means OSDD or anything that extreme, but it's unusual to have depersonalization/derealization while fronting and there may be a medical reason for it. (edited)

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In our opinion each system works in a different way; you just have to find out how your system works. To some people the main conciousness "blanks out" as the tulpa takes over and the host doesn't think anything and tries not to interfer; to others, the main conciousness becomes the tulpa's conciousness (or a copy of it), etc. There's many ways to go about it and we'll only be able to give a detailed answer when you yourself can tell how y'all work as a system.

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I don't feel too comfortable throwing out there an exact guess because I feel unqualified on knowing what causes dissociation.

As I think has been touched on a few times, psychology uses the word very linearly to mean maladaptive forms of dissociation like derealization or depersonalization. But neurologically dissociation accounts for a huge and multifaceted form of behaviour, and all of it arises from the brain shutting off communication between various specific areas. All of these things are in a nebulous space where they are ultimately controlled yet reflexive, like breathing. If you're not aware you are breathing you are dissociated from the action. If you're not aware you're feeling temperature you're dissociated from that. Like everything else they are either conditioned or instinct, or both.

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10:04 AM

To some people the main conciousness "blanks out" as the tulpa takes over and the host doesn't think anything and tries not to interfer

This is dangerous language, though I'm not sure you are using it in that way. Blanking out implies a gap in perception, awareness and memory, and that flat out doesn't happen without a dissociative disorder or long-term suggestion to give you a dissociative disorder. Honestly when it comes to how people describe these things I'm convinced at this point many of their experiences are actually not that different, and that they are just using different terms to describe the same thing as a matter of either perspective or as a matter of trying them trying to cause dissociation by buying their own flawed explanation. But that's not really the case with dissociative effects themselves, which absolutely are experientially different. (edited)

I don't think this means OSDD or anything that extreme, but it's unusual to have depersonalization/derealization while fronting and there may be a medical reason for it.

As for this, it should be understood that derealization and the like are just states that can be triggered at any time. A large percentage of people experience some form of dissociation, including the negative ones, at some point. This is not a sign of OSDD or the like by itself anymore than mourning is a sign of depression. The distinction is in consistency and ability to resist.

manual breathing, its much like that where if u realize ur breathing u have to do it manually for a while before it "dissociates" to being an instinct again thats one way i learned at least

Zen

I don't feel too comfortable throwing out there an exact guess because I feel unqualified on knowing what causes dissociation.

As I think has been touched on a few times, psychology uses the word very linearly to mean maladaptive forms of dissociation like derealization or depersonalization. But neurologically dissociation accounts for a huge and multifaceted form of behaviour, and all of it arises from the brain shutting off communication between various specific areas. All of these things are in a nebulous space where they are ultimately controlled yet reflexive, like breathing. If you're not aware you are breathing you are dissociated from the action. If you're not aware you're feeling temperature you're dissociated from that. Like everything else they are either conditioned or instinct, or both.

To clarify, I'm talking about medical dissociation, not neurological dissociation. Depersonalization and derealization are not normal and you can switch without experiencing this.

They are normal; They are a part of neurological dissociation; and they can be experienced without negative emotion in a variety of ways.

1:22 PM

Deep forms of meditation absolutely cause a form of depersonalization. (edited)

1:25 PM

But yes that's the whole reason I brought it up: You're essentially pathologizing dissociation itself, which isn't a pathological behaviour. You're falling into a logical trap where you are saying "my specific kind of dissociation is special" when it's not. It's just dissociation coupled with your personal anxieties. That's all pathological dissociation is. Feeling bad about it, in essence. Don't pathologize basic behaviours, focus on fixing the anxieties instead. (edited)

Depersonalization/derealization is a disorder, or at least disordered behavior. https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/depersonalization-disorder-mental-health https://www.verywellmind.com/derealization-2671582 https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/9791-depersonalizationderealization-disorder While I can't diagnosis someone with this on the internet, I think the advice to double check with a professional is warranted here. If they don't have medical dissociation, then a medical professional would be able to accurately make that judgement call and give the correct advice. If they do have medical dissociation, then the professional can help them by giving them the appropriate next steps.

You're way, way off in your understanding here.

2:18 PM

What you are talking about is disorders that centre around these behaviours, Ranger, that's irrelevant.

2:19 PM

Depression is rooted in the literal behaviour of abstraction about the self. Negative abstraction about the self is common but it doesn't become a disorder until it presents in the specific way that it presents in with depression. Do you understand?

2:20 PM

Here's a quote from a clinic I just randomly looked up:

Transient depersonalization/derealization is quite common. This situation occurs when you experience depersonalization symptoms briefly. You have a fleeting feeling of being detached from yourself or the environment. You may feel like you’re watching yourself in a movie. Experts estimate it occurs in about half of the population.

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2:21 PM

The proportion it occurs in needing treatment, and therefore is disorderly, is 2%. (edited)

2:21 PM

Are you picking up what I'm putting down?

2:23 PM

There is objectively approximately 48% there, if we accept a 50% benchmark as "people who get depersonalized or derealized", who are not disordered in any way. They're just experiencing a state that doesn't impact their day to day life. It might not even be negative, and as I mentioned it can actually be positive with religious or meditative experiences. (edited)

how do you all practice fronting in a way that allows you to do so without feeling dissociation/depersonalization? that's been a thing i've struggled with since i started fronting, i enjoy the feeling of dissociation but i know it's not good for me... i needa figure out how to let others front without getting that feeling, and allowing myself to remain as co-fronter without taking over the others' ability to do anything.

@majiq

they/ask

(@kovyxen) - jump What are you doing now that leads to feeling dissociated/dp?

it's just something ive always done kinda naturally, but it also takes effort? i just.. make myself dissociate, idk.. voluntarily disconnect from my body, stare into the void for a bit until it happens. it's a meditative experience for me, i got familiar with it when i was experimenting with dream/waking states for a while.

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@Aya forgot to ping/reply

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it's really an at-will kinda thing so, upon catching up a bit... yeah idk what's up with that

So the way we switch without 'dissociation' is that we see consciousness as something that belongs to the body, so for example eyesight isn't going anywhere just because a headmate leaves

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makes sense checks out

So the stream of consciousness stays in place, connected, aware, but the headmate in charge changes

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yeah im fully conscious when another headmate is fronting, i just feel kinda floaty in the body... in noticing recently the fact that i can dissociate without anyone fronting, and have been able to feel another headmate tryna do something while im still in front/conscious.... i think im starting to see/feel the difference between dissociating and fronting.

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it's just difficult to let them do things for a length of time unless im disassociated, and it tends to just happen naturally when they really 'grab' control, but i can still see and hear and am thinking about what's going on... but ig that's just a learning curve, something to practice, cuz im seeing now where i can begin to parse these experiences. (edited)

Sounds like at this point you've trained yourself to dissociate upon letting someone else front

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3:48 PM

But you want to stop that, right?

@Yuka (@Aya) - jump yeah o: